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Do we need to disambiguate this article by including 'demography' in the title. Could it not live at fertility? Derek Harkness 09:04, 27 June 2007 (CDT)

This article is entirely about the demographic aspects of fertility (with zero on biology or medicine or topics like infertility remedies.) Richard Jensen 00:59, 28 June 2007 (CDT)

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This article really should exist at fertility (demography) or else fertility (demographics). The current titling is contrary to policy, idiosyncratic, and completely confusing. --Larry Sanger 18:22, 8 October 2007 (CDT)

Yes, this escaped my attention. Obviously the article is about fertility, so that should be the lead word. With demography in brackets. --Martin Baldwin-Edwards 18:29, 8 October 2007 (CDT)
I think Richard addressed that above. --Matt Innis (Talk) 18:37, 8 October 2007 (CDT)
I don't see how, Matt. He just said that the article concerns the demographic aspects of fertility. Thus the word "demography" or "demographics" (don't ask me which is correct) in parentheses. I agree it shouldn't live at fertility. --Larry Sanger 18:44, 8 October 2007 (CDT)
Demography is a very-well-established field, and fertility is not. It is a topic that is split among many different fields. This article is about how demography (as a branch of sociology/history/economics) uses fertility data and relates it to other kinds of data. The term "demographics" is a specialty term regarding market research ("the demographics indicate the TV show is popular among women age 40-60"), while demography is the general, standard term.Richard Jensen 19:00, 8 October 2007 (CDT)

OK then. Let's call it demography of fertility, if you don't like fertility (demography)--which I think is clearer. Either one would makes it clearer what the topic of the article is at a glance. The current title does not, or will not to many readers. --Larry Sanger 19:05, 8 October 2007 (CDT)

Well, I still think it should be Fertility (demography). I have linked it from the main article in demography, and we want people to be able to find it! THe obvious word to search on would be fertility, and not demography. Please consider the end-user, Richard. --Martin Baldwin-Edwards 19:14, 8 October 2007 (CDT)

We can kindly try to persuade him, Martin, but ultimately you are the editor in this case, and Richard is not. --Larry Sanger 19:19, 8 October 2007 (CDT)

Well, the thing is that we talk all the time in sociology, economics etc about fertility rates, lower fertility, etc etc. Nobody inserts the word "demography" in their sentence, and Richard knows this. So why do we have it here? [If there are other disciplines which deal with fertility, then we will need a disambiguation page.] The bracketed solution is by far the best.--Martin Baldwin-Edwards 19:26, 8 October 2007 (CDT)
I have no problem with "Demography of fertility" but I do want the term demography or demographic in there because this is an article about demography. It was so named because I was writing a whole series of demography articles, and this was the one on fertility. The idea was to break down demography into its components. As for editorial status, I suggest I should be a sociology editor as well. (credentials include a term on the editorial board of the American Journal of Sociology" as the specialist on historical sociology and 20 years on the editorial board of Historical Methods handling historical demography). The article is cat under "health sciences" instead of "demography" because Nancy insisted on that, but she is gone and there is no medical info in the current article. Richard Jensen 19:41, 8 October 2007 (CDT)

A contradiction

The first sentence "Fertility is the demographic analysis of having babies." and the third sentence "Fertility is having babies." contradict each other. The analysis of having babies is not the same as having babies. Of course, the first sentence is false. Andres Luure 21:38, 19 November 2009 (UTC)