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Do we really need to quote Jennifer Rubin? I don't disagree with her opinion, necessarily, but she is a journalist and blogger. I only referenced her blog post because it contained (sourced) information relevant to the topic, but I just have this sinking feeling that including her actual words on the topic trivializes this CZ article. Rep. Engel's attitude to J Street is, in my view, the main point in this section; Rubin's opinions don't interest me. Anyone have another view? [[User:Michel van der Hoek|Michel van der Hoek]] 04:07, 23 February 2010 (UTC) | Do we really need to quote Jennifer Rubin? I don't disagree with her opinion, necessarily, but she is a journalist and blogger. I only referenced her blog post because it contained (sourced) information relevant to the topic, but I just have this sinking feeling that including her actual words on the topic trivializes this CZ article. Rep. Engel's attitude to J Street is, in my view, the main point in this section; Rubin's opinions don't interest me. Anyone have another view? [[User:Michel van der Hoek|Michel van der Hoek]] 04:07, 23 February 2010 (UTC) | ||
:Personally, I think [[Jennifer Rubin]] trivializes everything she touches, and sources very poorly and selectively. No, I don't think her blog post had any relevant information, other than essentially coming back with exactly the sort of snarkiness about which the J Street op-ed had complained. | |||
:Neither the op-ed, nor Rubin, nor Engel, actually spoke to the 54 Congressmen, J Street, and [[Americans for Peace Now]] letter to Obama. I haven't yet found a copy of the letter online, but the [[Haaretz]] article gave more substantive detail about it. In dealing with Israeli politics, it's often wise to look at the Haaretz and [[Jerusalem Post]] positions. With the Post, it's also useful to look at the particular writer. Haaretz is fairly consistent across the Israeli left, while the Post, a more mass market publication, may either do centrist coverage or jump far right with someone such as [[Caroline Glick]]. | |||
:Without having researched it, I'm not sure how authoritative Engel might be, as opposed to, say, [[AIPAC]]. J Street is, in the opinion of many, intended to be the anti-AIPAC, although still supportive of a [[two-state solution]]. The [[Zionist Organization of America]] is more [[zero-state solution|zero-state]]. There are American groups to the "left" (if that's really meaningful) of J Street, who argue for [[one-state solution]]s that, demographically, would not preserve the Jewish character of the [[State of Israel]]. | |||
:If Rubin is cited at all, I believe the quote must be there, as her language is far more judgmental than either J Street or Engel. It would not bother me, however, to remove all of the Rubin material here. --[[User:Howard C. Berkowitz|Howard C. Berkowitz]] 04:37, 23 February 2010 (UTC) | |||
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Do we really need to quote Jennifer Rubin? I don't disagree with her opinion, necessarily, but she is a journalist and blogger. I only referenced her blog post because it contained (sourced) information relevant to the topic, but I just have this sinking feeling that including her actual words on the topic trivializes this CZ article. Rep. Engel's attitude to J Street is, in my view, the main point in this section; Rubin's opinions don't interest me. Anyone have another view? Michel van der Hoek 04:07, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
- Personally, I think Jennifer Rubin trivializes everything she touches, and sources very poorly and selectively. No, I don't think her blog post had any relevant information, other than essentially coming back with exactly the sort of snarkiness about which the J Street op-ed had complained.
- Neither the op-ed, nor Rubin, nor Engel, actually spoke to the 54 Congressmen, J Street, and Americans for Peace Now letter to Obama. I haven't yet found a copy of the letter online, but the Haaretz article gave more substantive detail about it. In dealing with Israeli politics, it's often wise to look at the Haaretz and Jerusalem Post positions. With the Post, it's also useful to look at the particular writer. Haaretz is fairly consistent across the Israeli left, while the Post, a more mass market publication, may either do centrist coverage or jump far right with someone such as Caroline Glick.
- Without having researched it, I'm not sure how authoritative Engel might be, as opposed to, say, AIPAC. J Street is, in the opinion of many, intended to be the anti-AIPAC, although still supportive of a two-state solution. The Zionist Organization of America is more zero-state. There are American groups to the "left" (if that's really meaningful) of J Street, who argue for one-state solutions that, demographically, would not preserve the Jewish character of the State of Israel.
- If Rubin is cited at all, I believe the quote must be there, as her language is far more judgmental than either J Street or Engel. It would not bother me, however, to remove all of the Rubin material here. --Howard C. Berkowitz 04:37, 23 February 2010 (UTC)