Talk:Destroyer

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This article intertwines with cruiser and frigate. I haven't yet decided if there's a reasonable single "fast attack craft" to include classic torpedo and motor gunboats, as well as missile boats. I'm also not sure, given the confusion in the three main vessel names, whether there needs to be an additional category that would include such things as oceangoing corvettes (e.g., Israeli Sa'ar), the latest incarnation of the Littoral Combat Ship, etc.

Indeed, I have not yet started frigate. Expect much back-and-forth among cruiser, destroyer, and frigate even in the early drafts. Howard C. Berkowitz 12:06, 19 July 2008 (CDT)

This is very fun to read & well written. I read half of it. (Chunbum Park 21:27, 20 June 2009 (UTC))

Cruiser actually approaches comedy, when the U.S. Navy seemed to lose its mind about what to call things.

I will get current Korean ships listed! Howard C. Berkowitz 21:42, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Sure. S. Korea has an Aegis class of destroyers named after King Sejong (he has posthumorous title "the great," & only 4 Korean kings in history were given such title), KDX-III. The only ones worthy of notice should be the KDX-I class, II class, & III class. (Chunbum Park 20:59, 6 July 2009 (UTC))

These are really great pictures. The article looks so much better now. Thank you. (Chunbum Park 21:01, 6 July 2009 (UTC))

Do you know if the KDX are also built on the Ticonderoga/Spruance/Burke hull like the Kongos, so there's no reason to have separate pictures because they look alike?

Cruiser may be even more fun because the naming is so confused; the U.S. Navy had a period of temporary insanity. Howard C. Berkowitz 21:22, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

I don't think there is a need for more pictures. The article may be overcrowded, and you're right - they look alike. The front is pretty much the same design, but the backside of the KDX-III has a raised compartment for the extra missiles followed by a helicopter landing platform. Actually that's how Flight IIA hull looks like. The KDX-II has essentially the same length & beam & displacement, but double the draft (no idea what this means). The Korean engineers weren't very creative. Other countries are moving onto acquire more advanced toys like Type 45 & HORIZON SAS & Zumwalt. (Chunbum Park 15:27, 7 July 2009 (UTC))

Draft is the vertical distance the ship goes below water. A ship with 40 foot draft goes crunch in a 36 foot channel. If the draft doubles but the displacement stays the same, it would make me think they've put equipment underwater, such as a sonar dome. Howard C. Berkowitz 15:33, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Oh, it's actually 6.25m compared to 9m, so it's actually smaller. I think I got the ft & m mixed up. Thank you for explaining though. (Chunbum Park 15:42, 7 July 2009 (UTC))

I forgot to mention that I also read the cruiser article, which is very well written. It's better than reading Harry Potter. Things like jet fighters, tanks, and battleships used to excite me when I was a kid. (Chunbum Park 15:31, 7 July 2009 (UTC))

Anyhow, do you plan to get these articles to become approved articles? The articles at Wikipedia about destroyers and cruisers are unreadable & confusing. There are all these citation needed notes & very poor wording like "xxx, xxx, xxx have superstructure differences to accommodate the ...RMS" (doesn't make sense) (Chunbum Park 15:44, 7 July 2009 (UTC))

Any image sources for non-US ships, especially historical?

I can cheat with the current Japanese Kongo-class, as they are Burke-class copies. Howard C. Berkowitz 00:55, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Let's not forget the most famous destroyer of them all....

Have you heard of a ship called the good Reuben James

Manned by hard fighting men both of honor and fame?

She flew the Stars and Stripes of the land of the free

But tonight she's in her grave at the bottom of the sea.