Talk:Chinese cuisine/Catalogs

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Curry

This is what WP says about Curry:

Curry (from Tamil kari) is the English description of any of a general variety of pungent dishes, best-known in Indian, Bangladeshi, Sri Lankan, Indonesian, Malaysian, Pakistani, Thai, and other South Asian and Southeast Asian cuisines, though curry has been adopted into all of the mainstream cuisines of the Asia-Pacific region. Along with tea, curry is one of the few dishes or drinks that is truly "Pan-Asian", but specifically, its roots come from India. The concept of curry was later brought to the West by British colonialists in India from the 18th century. Dishes that are often classified as curries in Europe and America are rarely called curries in the native language.

And I think the general percept is that it is an Indian dish rather than a Chinese. I really think it should be moved from here to a new catalog of Indian cuisine, which I will now create. Hayford Peirce 11:26, 3 August 2007 (CDT)

Ignoring wikipedia - The word curry is commonly used in England to refer to the Chinese style curry. It isn't the same dish as the Indian dish but then it's not unusual in English to have two or more things with identical names. Curry should be listed on the Chinese, Indian, Tai, Malasian, Korian... cuisine pages and a disambiguation page created to sort them out. Derek Harkness 11:59, 3 August 2007 (CDT)

If you put it back on the Chinese page, then you are going to have to make a note explaining some of the above. Otherwise the casual reader, coming to CZ, and looking at the Chinese catalog is going to say: "Those idiots at CZ -- don't they know that curry comes from India!?" And will go back to using WP. French fries, for instance are listed on both the French and Belgian cuisine catalogs, but with an explanatory note. Hayford Peirce 12:08, 3 August 2007 (CDT)

I asked on the British catalog if we were doing 'origin form' or 'popular in'. You replied, "I think it should clearly be food that is popular *in* Britain. Hayford Peirce 23:58, 1 August 2007 (CDT)" Likewise shouldn't the Chinese list be 'popupar in china'. Curry should also feature on the British list as it's one of, if not the most popular dish in Britain. Likewise french fries should be listed on the American list as the are excedingly popular in the USA even if they didn't origonate there. Derek Harkness 05:40, 4 August 2007 (CDT)

My brain must have had an overdose of spotted dick or toad in the hole or some such -- I clearly hadn't thought the implications through. Here are my present thoughts:

• Each national cuisine catalog should limit itself to items that *originated* in that country. Even if people *mistakenly* think they come from elsewhere. So that Chicken Tikka Masala would be British. Chop Suey (shudder) would be American. Curry would be Indian. Etc.
• HOWEVER: we could make certain exceptions. What about abominations like Pineapple and Ham Pizza in the United States? Its relationship to *real* pizza is just about zero. So we could list that as American cuisine -- BUT with an explanation. I will leave the Curry item in Chinese cuisine but I am going to add an explanation from a big Chinese cookbook I have.
• A while ago Stephen Ewen proposed a Catalog of global cuisine. I created it and put in french fries, hamburgers, and mayo. We could expand this to include Curry, Chicken Tikka Masala, Pizza, and whatever else seems worthy of inclusion.

What are your thoughts on this? I will also ask Stephen for input. Hayford Peirce 22:22, 3 August 2007 (CDT)

But what are the implications of setting 'origin' as the decider. Would the American or Australian lists have anything on them at all? The current two on the American list are Hamburger, Rhubarb pie. The first may be German or American depending on who you ask, the second is I think an English import. Apple pie is also a European import to America and you don't get much more American than apple pie. Requiring origin is going to make some odd lists. Derek Harkness 05:40, 4 August 2007 (CDT)