CZ Talk:Creating an article with subpages

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== Clarification please... ==

Clarification please...

1. The actual metagpage is supposed to be in the Template: namespace, correct?
2. With regard to the actual metagpage, for some articles the "pagename" field and the "abc" field will be the same, correct?

   This is not obvious, and I think should be explicitly stated. So, Mao Zedong's name is a chinese name, where his family name, Mao, comes first. So his two fields are the same.

   • Obviously articles about people with western style names, where the surname comes last, should have different values for these fields.
   • Well, for nautical vessels, should we just go with what make sense, or is there a style guide?
   • Wikipedia's disambiguation page lists: HMS Discovery (1600), HMS Discovery (1651), HMS Discovery (1692), HMS Discovery (1719), HMS Discovery (1741), HMS Discovery (1774), HMS Discovery (1789), HMS Discovery (1800), HMS Discovery (1874).

   So, their abc field would say something like: "Discovery, HMS (1741)", or "Discovery, HMS, (1741)", or "Discovery, HMS, 1741". Someone just trying what makes sense could pick any of those three...

3. If subpages are to be used some are more or less essential, while others are optional?
   • Article's specific talk page is not considered optional. It should exist, even if all it should contain is {{subpages}}, correct?
   • The Definition subpage is optional, but if it exists its first line should be <noinclude>{{subpages}}</noinclude>, correct?
   • The optional Related article subpage, if it exists, should also begin with <noinclude>{{subpages}}</noinclude>, correct?
4. When I first started using subpages here, I thought they were a good idea. Then, when I started an article under a slightly wrong name, and created all the metapages for it, before I realized the name was wrong. I know someone, eventually, created a way to move the article, and all its subpages. But I can't remember how it is done.
5. The guided form used to offer a list of approved templates. I always struggled to figure out which categories to use for articles I thought should belong to the non-existent Transport category. Could a transport category be allowed?
6. There was another template, Template:Creditline. It also required creating a new template for each image where the same credit should appear on all images. But {{creditline}} had to be explicitly put in the images caption.

   Is it also old? Should I consider it deprecated?

Cheers! George Swan (talk) 16:27, 26 March 2022 (CDT)

Underscores

Underscores for spaces are filled in automatically in the main URL, so they just need to type the article name after https://citizendium.org/wiki/. John Stephenson (talk) 05:51, 30 March 2022 (CDT)

Instructions

We could put the instructions on how to create a cluster further towards the top, with more detailed explanation below. Also, including {{subpages}}} is the most important point. I'd put them in the order 2-4-1-3. John Stephenson (talk) 05:54, 30 March 2022 (CDT)

comments

I took a look at today's edits.

• You referred to the standard subpages as articles in this sentence "Each of the five articles above must have the {{subpages}} template as their first line." I think you meant "pages" or "subpages"...
• I think "Gerald Form" must be related to Gerald Ford.
• People who can't figure this out - we want them to feel okay about not using subpages, correct?
• The old form that automated filling out the metadata page is too old to work properly, after the upgrade. Have I got that right? So, what language(s) are these forms written in? George Swan (talk) 17:20, 30 March 2022 (CDT)