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Jitse Niesen

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Well, I'll try to make some edits (I am working on bijection), but watch my English - is faaaar from perfect :-(. Wojciech Świderski 03:38, 13 July 2008 (CDT)

Don't worry about your English. I think it's good enough, and if not, it will be corrected. I will watch the bijection article and see if I can improve on what you write. -- Jitse Niesen 16:18, 13 July 2008 (CDT)

Definition of a mathematical category

Thanks for the adjustment to the definition of a mathematical category. I'm working on an illustrated example. Peter Lyall Easthope 14:42, 13 July 2008 (CDT)

Wikimedia, copyright, etc.

Hi Jitse, when I needed a picture I always asked Stephen Ewen, but apparently he is on holiday, because he doesn't react to my messages. I like to have one picture of Hans Christian Oersted and perhaps two of James Clerk Maxwell. Wikimedia commons has plenty of those, but since I never bothered about copyright, I don't know if I can grab them. Do you know?--Paul Wormer 10:12, 4 August 2008 (CDT)

From your friendly neighbourhood mistress of ceremonies

I signed you in at The August Party Do join us on Wednesday September 2nd for what I hope will be a very active party with music, music, music. Theme: "My Favourite Band" (or, 'ensemble' or 'group' or 'orchestra' or 'singer' or 'recording' or...? Aleta Curry 23:28, 7 August 2008 (CDT)

Proposals results

Hi. Some months ago two proposals were presented, one concerning an "Internationalisation sandbox" [1] and another about translation of approved articles [2]. I went to the Proposals main page and to its associated subpages to find the result of those proposals (it says that they were assigned to the Executive Committee), but nothing. Is it possible that I missed the page were the results of those proposals were posted or they still haven't been analysed by the Executive Committee? --José Leonardo Andrade 13:15, 16 August 2008 (CDT)

These proposals have not yet been discussed by the Executive Council. I don't know what's happening. Your best chance is to ask the proposal driver (Pierre-Alain Gouanvic and Jens Mildner, respectively). I'm supposed to check that the proposals do not get stuck but I'm afraid I have been slack recently. -- Jitse Niesen 07:10, 18 August 2008 (CDT)

Thank you for the information. The drivers of those proposals haven't been particularly active on Citizendium lately, I've checked their contributions. It worries me that it takes so long to make a decision, the proposal looses momentum and perhaps even people loose interest. I'll see if I can contact those users. --José Leonardo Andrade 13:31, 18 August 2008 (CDT)

Link to an image

Jitse, in the bibliography of the Rene Descartes article I tried to add a link to the scan Descartes_Geometrie_matieres.png but the link is not visible. Please tell me what is wrong. Thanks, Peter Lyall Easthope 17:21, 1 September 2008 (CDT)

Hi Peter. I had a look and the link was visible, so I'm not sure what you mean. Perhaps you intended to include the actual image in the article? If so, you need to use Image: instead of Media:. Have a look at the edit I did just now (diff). If that's not what you want, then just revert my edit. Cheers, Jitse Niesen 04:39, 4 September 2008 (CDT)

jn>"I had a look and the link was visible, ..."
Yes, the link was visible but led to an empty page! The link should anchor to the image.

jn>"If that's not what you want, ..."
Its ok for me but I would expect others to prefer that the title be a link anchored to the image.

jn>"... then just revert my edit."
I tried it. Not satisfactory as explained above.

In any case, the image is now visible. Thanks, Peter Lyall Easthope 19:45, 10 September 2008 (CDT)

Discussion page for Category Th. article

There is also an issue on the discussion page for the Category Th. article. ...Peter Lyall Easthope 19:50, 10 September 2008 (CDT)

I finally got around to replying. This has proved to be a rather busy month. I copied your question from Talk:Category theory/Related Articles to Talk:Category theory. I think it's best not to use talk pages of subpages; it's just too easy to lose discussions and questions that way. -- Jitse Niesen 06:10, 21 September 2008 (CDT)

diff(approved, draft)

Jitse, there should be a one-click diff of a draft from the approved article. An editor needs to see quickly any suggested improvement and a contributor should also see the differences. Perhaps this exists and I haven't found it. Thanks, Peter Lyall Easthope 10:08, 29 September 2008 (CDT)

Yes, there should be. I believe there even used to be a button for that, but it stopped working after a software update. I'll think about it. -- Jitse Niesen 09:32, 30 September 2008 (CDT)

Correct, there used to be such a button. I don't know what changed but that method no longer works. I have not seen any other way of doing it, except the obvious and laborious cut/paste/compare route. Chris Day 09:35, 30 September 2008 (CDT)

P.S. I'll track down the old method and show you how it was done. Possibly that will give you a clue to a fix. And thanks for the {{localurl: idea. It works prefectly. Chris Day 09:39, 30 September 2008 (CDT)

Naming proposals for wars

Is the proposal process indeed the right format when I do not have a specific recommendation? In other words, I want to get some consensus on this, or at least the acceptance that the originator can come up with the name he or she thinks is most appropriate, and it's an accepted procedure that other names can be used, but they will become redirects in the interest of efficiency.

This is something that could and should be a matter for a group of Military Workgroup editors, but, as far as I know, I'm the only one. There have been several examples of problems: I referred to a U.S. operation by its code name, in the all-caps format that the U.S. uses, and got an enormous number of complaints. There was much arguing about whether Vietnam War was proper going back to 1959, 1954, 1945, 1937, or earlier.

There is merit to spending time on the argument if there are serious questions about the time periods, and if they should have different names. In cleaning up what was an impossibly large Vietnam War article, I kept that as a main article but spawned links to a number of somewhat arbitrary subarticles.

In other words, let's either have a policy, or accept the first author's working title (unless it is offensive) and put in redirects for every other proposal. Howard C. Berkowitz 17:38, 1 October 2008 (CDT)

The proposal process is not for brainstorming. You must have a reasonable definite proposal in your head before you start (or you may have two possibilities in your head), but not just a vague idea. If you have only a vague idea, then it's probably best if you conduct a couple of discussions first and that should give you an idea on what's the best.

The rule "originator chooses name" is a definite proposal, so you could try that. Whether it will be accepted is of course another thing. It seems to be in contradiction with CZ:Naming Conventions.

If something concerns only the Military Workgroup, and you're the only editor, then I think you can do whatever you like. The all-caps format is possibly an example of this. Just start a style guide for military articles, and write that U.S. code names should be all-caps. I can understand that many will dislike it, but I think within your discretion, as long as you're the only editor. Listen to the arguments, give them serious consideration, but in the end, the editors of the Military Workgroup decide. The only body who can overrule you is the Editorial Council, and if there are enough opponents they will probably petition it. Of course, it's another matter whether it's wise to do something that may alienate other authors and that may be overturned (personally, I think all-caps is odd, but I haven't followed the discussion and if this is the convention in the military and academics studying the military, that's a very strong argument).

The Vietnam War is rightly is also in the History Workgroup, so you will have to work with history editors on the scope of our article Vietnam War. -- Jitse Niesen 14:43, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

It's a little worrisome that I am the only active editor for Military. I did start a draft of a style guide for Computers on the Workgroup page. Is that, in general, where such should go, or perhaps a subpage (or equivalent) of the main workgroup page?

I'll propose some rules, once I know where to put them. I do have some specific things in mind, more where there are several ways to do it and I have no preference, and others where something is needed but I don't know what it is. In other words, for the latter two, I actively want discussion.

Objections to the all-caps conventions (and I have never said it should be used for everything) have been strong "I don't like it", as opposed to "the reason for not doing is..." For example, if I put Operation Barbarossa in all caps, someone could quite properly correct me because the WWII Germans did not use all caps. The current British do not, which is why Operation Granby (they didn't have sub-operations) goes with DESERT STORM/SHIELD/SABRE. It's a judgment call to use the English "operation" rather than the German "Aktion". Perhaps there should be a redirect of "Aktion Barbarossa". Howard C. Berkowitz 15:06, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

I can well imagine that it worries you to be the only active editor. Some guidance for style guides can be found in CZ:Proposals/Create workgroup style guides. It points to CZ:Chemistry style guide as an example. I think David E. Volk is the person to ask questions about workgroup style guides. As long as the style guide for the Computer Workgroup is very short, you can keep it on the main workgroup page, but once it grows a bit (which will surely happen), it's probably better to put it on a page by itself. -- Jitse Niesen 13:53, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Belated Happy B'day!

Many happy returns of the day! Supten Sarbadhikari 00:26, 13 October 2008 (UTC)