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I've completely revamped the Games Workgroup page and hope that no one has any objections. I'd love help on establishing a proper hierarchy, so please chip in if you're here! (On a side note, I think it would be a fine idea to do a roll-call much as Wikipedia groups do.) [[User:Nick Bagnall|Nick Bagnall]] 16:44, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
I've completely revamped the Games Workgroup page and hope that no one has any objections. I'd love help on establishing a proper hierarchy, so please chip in if you're here! (On a side note, I think it would be a fine idea to do a roll-call much as Wikipedia groups do.) [[User:Nick Bagnall|Nick Bagnall]] 16:44, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
: I hope you are aware that the classification of games is intrinsically difficult: The same game may belong to different groups, or it may be that no group fits really. Rummy is a card game, Mah-Jongg a board game? Craps is dice (and not casino?). Essentially, the new classification is neither better nor worse than the previous one. Probably in the end there have to be several classifications: by playing material, by principle, ... --[[User:Peter Schmitt|Peter Schmitt]] 22:59, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
: I hope you are aware that the classification of games is intrinsically difficult: The same game may belong to different groups, or it may be that no group fits really. Rummy is a card game, Mah-Jongg a board game? Craps is dice (and not casino?). Essentially, the new classification is neither better nor worse than the previous one. Probably in the end there have to be several classifications: by playing material, by principle, ... --[[User:Peter Schmitt|Peter Schmitt]] 22:59, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
: Good work Nick! Here are my thoughts...
:* I would say that [[trading card games]] (or collectible card games) are completely different to, or at least a sub-catagory of, [[card games]]. The former use a custom set of cards, players own their own cards, players even create their own decks from their own selection of cards and there of course is the trading element. The latter uses one or more standard decks of playing cards.
:* I strongly disagree with [[video games]] being a subcategory of [[electronic games]]. Video games are such a huge area these days that they could almost be a workgroup of their own, and perhaps should be a sub-workgroup.
:* [[MMORPG]] are, despite their name, much more related to [[video games]] than [[role-playing games]]. Partial evidence towards this is the fact that many MMORPGs have a few dedicated servers for role-players, whilst the majority of their servers are 'normal' or non-roleplay. Roleplayers pretend they are their characters, act them out, speak as they would. Video game players control their characters, and talk about them and their abilities. I would say the majority of MMORPG players are in the latter catagory.
:* [[Gambling]] is perhaps an inaccurate title for that catagory. [[Poker]], [[horse racing]] and even the [[Olympics]] are all associated with gambling to some extent or another. [[Games of chance]] would be perhaps a better choice? Still not quite right though...
:* [[Vampire: The Masquerade]] (and associated titles... I remember a werewolf and a ghost version) are pen and paper role-playing games. All RPGs can be turned into [[Live Action RPGs]]
:* The layout still seems a little messy. Perhaps thats just me. I quite like [[CZ:Core_Articles/Biology|this layout]]. I'm willing to do the relayout work required if other people agree.
:* We should probably be looking at out [[CZ:Core_Articles/Recreation|core articles list]] at the same time as doing this.
:Overall though, it's a great improvement! --[[User:Chris Key|Chris Key]] 23:14, 23 March 2010 (UTC)


== Userinfo Status ==
== Userinfo Status ==

Revision as of 17:14, 23 March 2010


Forum Discussions

I've written a post on the Games Workshop forum regarding Developing the Games Workgroup. If you are interested in this workgroup, please take a look and bring comments! --Chris Key 22:49, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Updated games hierarchy

I've completely revamped the Games Workgroup page and hope that no one has any objections. I'd love help on establishing a proper hierarchy, so please chip in if you're here! (On a side note, I think it would be a fine idea to do a roll-call much as Wikipedia groups do.) Nick Bagnall 16:44, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

I hope you are aware that the classification of games is intrinsically difficult: The same game may belong to different groups, or it may be that no group fits really. Rummy is a card game, Mah-Jongg a board game? Craps is dice (and not casino?). Essentially, the new classification is neither better nor worse than the previous one. Probably in the end there have to be several classifications: by playing material, by principle, ... --Peter Schmitt 22:59, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
Good work Nick! Here are my thoughts...
  • I would say that trading card games (or collectible card games) are completely different to, or at least a sub-catagory of, card games. The former use a custom set of cards, players own their own cards, players even create their own decks from their own selection of cards and there of course is the trading element. The latter uses one or more standard decks of playing cards.
  • I strongly disagree with video games being a subcategory of electronic games. Video games are such a huge area these days that they could almost be a workgroup of their own, and perhaps should be a sub-workgroup.
  • MMORPG are, despite their name, much more related to video games than role-playing games. Partial evidence towards this is the fact that many MMORPGs have a few dedicated servers for role-players, whilst the majority of their servers are 'normal' or non-roleplay. Roleplayers pretend they are their characters, act them out, speak as they would. Video game players control their characters, and talk about them and their abilities. I would say the majority of MMORPG players are in the latter catagory.
  • Gambling is perhaps an inaccurate title for that catagory. Poker, horse racing and even the Olympics are all associated with gambling to some extent or another. Games of chance would be perhaps a better choice? Still not quite right though...
  • Vampire: The Masquerade (and associated titles... I remember a werewolf and a ghost version) are pen and paper role-playing games. All RPGs can be turned into Live Action RPGs
  • The layout still seems a little messy. Perhaps thats just me. I quite like this layout. I'm willing to do the relayout work required if other people agree.
  • We should probably be looking at out core articles list at the same time as doing this.
Overall though, it's a great improvement! --Chris Key 23:14, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Userinfo Status

Oddly no-one else has added themselves to the userinfo status list. If you've simply forgotten, or didn't know about it, perhaps consider adding yourself here. Chris Key 14:18, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Hi Chris! Thanks for the link. I am having trouble adding my name there--whenever I add my name (I put mine above yours, since it goes by alphabetical order), your name is shoved off the table and there's a redlinked template by my own name. I just added my name like this: |Nick Bagnall}} Do you know what the problem is? Nick Bagnall 15:24, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
Hi Nick, I have added it for you. It should be more obvious how now there is more than one of us. Chris Key 16:07, 23 March 2010 (UTC)