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Looks like she's just entered herself as Liz on her nomination papers, & so appeared on the official returns, but at some point someone processing the results for official publications has decided her full name is EMT for reasons it's likely to be impossible to establish. [[User:Peter Jackson|Peter Jackson]] ([[User talk:Peter Jackson|talk]]) 04:53, 7 September 2022 (CDT) | Looks like she's just entered herself as Liz on her nomination papers, & so appeared on the official returns, but at some point someone processing the results for official publications has decided her full name is EMT for reasons it's likely to be impossible to establish. [[User:Peter Jackson|Peter Jackson]] ([[User talk:Peter Jackson|talk]]) 04:53, 7 September 2022 (CDT) | ||
Some journalistic sources apparently say EMT. According to a WP editor, the FT does so: [https://www.ft.com/content/94839428-3f90-4fbd-966d-3199ecb9a357] (non-free access, so I haven't checked). [[User:Peter Jackson|Peter Jackson]] ([[User talk:Peter Jackson|talk]]) 05:14, 8 September 2022 (CDT) | |||
A WP editor seems to say her marriage registration has EMT: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Liz_Truss&diff=1104263304&oldid=1104124842]. [[User:Peter Jackson|Peter Jackson]] ([[User talk:Peter Jackson|talk]]) 05:20, 8 September 2022 (CDT) | |||
Checked: [https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/search/results?sourcecategory=birthsutf002c%20marriages%20utf0026%20deaths&lastname=truss&eventyear=2000&eventyear_offset=0]: Elizabeth M Truss. [[User:Peter Jackson|Peter Jackson]] ([[User talk:Peter Jackson|talk]]) 05:22, 8 September 2022 (CDT) | |||
Summary: journalists disagree. Official documents so far found, except her birth certificate, give EMT. Tentative conclusion: she chnaged her name. [[User:Peter Jackson|Peter Jackson]] ([[User talk:Peter Jackson|talk]]) 05:25, 8 September 2022 (CDT) | |||
== Secretary/Minister == | == Secretary/Minister == | ||
The current use of terminology here is confusing. For the most part, we have Secretaries of State, who are in the cabinet, and Ministers of State, who aren't. Sometimes, an SoS has a number of different MoSs under them, who would then have different titles, but sometimes you ,must have cases where the X Secretary has the X Minister as a subordinate. In such a case, calling the former by the latter title would be egregious. For consistency they should all be referred to by their actual titles (in short form of course). [[User:Peter Jackson|Peter Jackson]] ([[User talk:Peter Jackson|talk]]) 04:57, 8 August 2022 (CDT) | The current use of terminology here is confusing. For the most part, we have Secretaries of State, who are in the cabinet, and Ministers of State, who aren't. Sometimes, an SoS has a number of different MoSs under them, who would then have different titles, but sometimes you ,must have cases where the X Secretary has the X Minister as a subordinate. In such a case, calling the former by the latter title would be egregious. For consistency they should all be referred to by their actual titles (in short form of course). [[User:Peter Jackson|Peter Jackson]] ([[User talk:Peter Jackson|talk]]) 04:57, 8 August 2022 (CDT) | ||
Latest revision as of 04:25, 8 September 2022
Name
WP links the (official) London Gazette giving her name as Elizabeth Mary Truss. Are there sources showing she sometimes still uses her original name MET? If not, then I think it should say something like EMT (originally MET). Also might menetion her married name O'Leary, which she doesn't use in politics (if at all). Peter Jackson (talk) 04:42, 8 August 2022 (CDT)
Analogies: George Osborne, not Gideon Oliver Osborne; Ulysses S. Grant, not Hiram Ulysses Grant; Gerald Rudolph Ford, not Leslire Lynch King Jr. It seems to be standard practice to use current, not original, names. Peter Jackson (talk) 04:44, 8 August 2022 (CDT)
As WP has now deleted the link, here it is:[1]. Peter Jackson (talk) 04:22, 7 September 2022 (CDT)
At [2], a WP editor claims journalists have simply copied whatever WP said at the time. If that's right, we should treat their statements as worthless. I'm now going to look for other official sources. Peter Jackson (talk) 04:28, 7 September 2022 (CDT)
[3], official declaration of results for 2019 election, gives name as EMT. Above source is 2010. Presumably same for intervening elections. Peter Jackson (talk) 04:47, 7 September 2022 (CDT)
But [4] gives just Liz. Peter Jackson (talk) 04:49, 7 September 2022 (CDT)
Looks like she's just entered herself as Liz on her nomination papers, & so appeared on the official returns, but at some point someone processing the results for official publications has decided her full name is EMT for reasons it's likely to be impossible to establish. Peter Jackson (talk) 04:53, 7 September 2022 (CDT)
Some journalistic sources apparently say EMT. According to a WP editor, the FT does so: [5] (non-free access, so I haven't checked). Peter Jackson (talk) 05:14, 8 September 2022 (CDT)
A WP editor seems to say her marriage registration has EMT: [6]. Peter Jackson (talk) 05:20, 8 September 2022 (CDT)
Checked: [7]: Elizabeth M Truss. Peter Jackson (talk) 05:22, 8 September 2022 (CDT)
Summary: journalists disagree. Official documents so far found, except her birth certificate, give EMT. Tentative conclusion: she chnaged her name. Peter Jackson (talk) 05:25, 8 September 2022 (CDT)
Secretary/Minister
The current use of terminology here is confusing. For the most part, we have Secretaries of State, who are in the cabinet, and Ministers of State, who aren't. Sometimes, an SoS has a number of different MoSs under them, who would then have different titles, but sometimes you ,must have cases where the X Secretary has the X Minister as a subordinate. In such a case, calling the former by the latter title would be egregious. For consistency they should all be referred to by their actual titles (in short form of course). Peter Jackson (talk) 04:57, 8 August 2022 (CDT)