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I suggest we change the name to ''Television, History'' the goal is to get the major keyword first. [[User:Richard Jensen|Richard Jensen]] 00:42, 24 April 2007 (CDT) | I suggest we change the name to ''Television, History'' the goal is to get the major keyword first. [[User:Richard Jensen|Richard Jensen]] 00:42, 24 April 2007 (CDT) | ||
Hi Richard. Hmm, in an ordinary reference work or index, that would make sense to me, but I'd want to be sure we follow the common nomenclature first. Let's wait and see how that discussion goes, and/or join it at [[CZ Talk:Naming Conventions]]. [[User:Russell Potter|Russell Potter]] 04:03, 24 April 2007 (CDT) | Hi Richard. Hmm, in an ordinary reference work or index, that would make sense to me, but I'd want to be sure we follow the common nomenclature first. Let's wait and see how that discussion goes, and/or join it at [[CZ Talk:Naming Conventions]]. [[User:Russell Potter|Russell Potter]] 04:03, 24 April 2007 (CDT) | ||
::putting the keyword first is a matter of logic. Otherwise many different schemes are possible: "Development of Television", "American Television History," "The Story of TV News", "Trends in TV", "Major inventions in TV history" etc etc. Each editor will do it differently and CZ will be hard to use and hard to edit. Order and system (We're like Buffon--was he the classifier?) [[User:Richard Jensen|Richard Jensen]] 06:14, 24 April 2007 (CDT) | ::putting the keyword first is a matter of logic. Otherwise many different schemes are possible: "Development of Television", "American Television History," "The Story of TV News", "Trends in TV", "Major inventions in TV history" etc etc. Each editor will do it differently and CZ will be hard to use and hard to edit. Order and system (We're like Buffon--was he the classifier?) [[User:Richard Jensen|Richard Jensen]] 06:14, 24 April 2007 (CDT) | ||
:::I don't disagree with the logic, but one of the values of the wiki world, and of the internet in general, is that keyword searching removes the necessity for information providers to put their information "in order" since it can always be searched horizontally or every word of it searched; likewise, searchers can enter their keywords in any order and, for the most part, get the same hits (though, in Google, prioritized | :::I don't disagree with the logic, but one of the values of the wiki world, and of the internet in general, is that keyword searching removes the necessity for information providers to put their information "in order" since it can always be searched horizontally or every word of it searched; likewise, searchers can enter their keywords in any order and, for the most part, get the same hits (though, in Google, prioritized somewhat differently). The most logical thing for CZ to do is to have a consistent policy -- whatever it is -- and to follow it in all pages; then at least those who use the site repeatedly will soon be able to figure out how to enter the terms in the standard way and get the results they want. [[User:Russell Potter|Russell Potter]] 07:55, 24 April 2007 (CDT) | ||
::I don't put too much trust in search engines--it's there somewhere but I believe most people only use the first page of hits, even if what they want is on a later page. [[User:Richard Jensen|Richard Jensen]] 19:30, 24 April 2007 (CDT) | |||
:::I don't always trust search engines either -- but their paradigms are fairly good and getting better all the time. I just used Google to search the keywords 'television' and 'history' at en.citizendium.org, and this article came up as the #1 hit, followed by [[Television Station Paul Nipkow]], [[Television]], and <nowiki>Category:History_Internal_Articles</nowiki> -- a pretty good top page of searches for now. (I do notice that sometimes the associated Talk page comes up higher than the page itself -- more hits of key phrases -- this might be something to think about in days to come_. [[User:Russell Potter|Russell Potter]] 20:29, 24 April 2007 (CDT) | |||
::Wiki is full of articles on TV shows and even characters (which I hope we can avoid) --they may well dominate a search. [[User:Richard Jensen|Richard Jensen]] 20:44, 24 April 2007 (CDT) | |||
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This article seems a classic case where it is very doubtful that adequate free images would be available...for literally decades. However, the Smithsonian may have some of these, so I did tag them with {{Tl|Replace?}} just to let some future person know it'd be nice if such images were available. ---[[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 13:55, 17 June 2007 (CDT) | |||
:Stephen, many thanks for the heads up. If anyone who reads this does have, or know of, public domain or free equivalents for the illustrations used here with permission, that would be great! They are mighty hard to find, but it would always be preferable to use such if available! [[User:Russell Potter|Russell Potter]] 15:03, 17 June 2007 (CDT) |
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I suggest we change the name to Television, History the goal is to get the major keyword first. Richard Jensen 00:42, 24 April 2007 (CDT)
Hi Richard. Hmm, in an ordinary reference work or index, that would make sense to me, but I'd want to be sure we follow the common nomenclature first. Let's wait and see how that discussion goes, and/or join it at CZ Talk:Naming Conventions. Russell Potter 04:03, 24 April 2007 (CDT)
- putting the keyword first is a matter of logic. Otherwise many different schemes are possible: "Development of Television", "American Television History," "The Story of TV News", "Trends in TV", "Major inventions in TV history" etc etc. Each editor will do it differently and CZ will be hard to use and hard to edit. Order and system (We're like Buffon--was he the classifier?) Richard Jensen 06:14, 24 April 2007 (CDT)
- I don't disagree with the logic, but one of the values of the wiki world, and of the internet in general, is that keyword searching removes the necessity for information providers to put their information "in order" since it can always be searched horizontally or every word of it searched; likewise, searchers can enter their keywords in any order and, for the most part, get the same hits (though, in Google, prioritized somewhat differently). The most logical thing for CZ to do is to have a consistent policy -- whatever it is -- and to follow it in all pages; then at least those who use the site repeatedly will soon be able to figure out how to enter the terms in the standard way and get the results they want. Russell Potter 07:55, 24 April 2007 (CDT)
- I don't put too much trust in search engines--it's there somewhere but I believe most people only use the first page of hits, even if what they want is on a later page. Richard Jensen 19:30, 24 April 2007 (CDT)
- I don't always trust search engines either -- but their paradigms are fairly good and getting better all the time. I just used Google to search the keywords 'television' and 'history' at en.citizendium.org, and this article came up as the #1 hit, followed by Television Station Paul Nipkow, Television, and Category:History_Internal_Articles -- a pretty good top page of searches for now. (I do notice that sometimes the associated Talk page comes up higher than the page itself -- more hits of key phrases -- this might be something to think about in days to come_. Russell Potter 20:29, 24 April 2007 (CDT)
- Wiki is full of articles on TV shows and even characters (which I hope we can avoid) --they may well dominate a search. Richard Jensen 20:44, 24 April 2007 (CDT)
- putting the keyword first is a matter of logic. Otherwise many different schemes are possible: "Development of Television", "American Television History," "The Story of TV News", "Trends in TV", "Major inventions in TV history" etc etc. Each editor will do it differently and CZ will be hard to use and hard to edit. Order and system (We're like Buffon--was he the classifier?) Richard Jensen 06:14, 24 April 2007 (CDT)
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This article seems a classic case where it is very doubtful that adequate free images would be available...for literally decades. However, the Smithsonian may have some of these, so I did tag them with {{Replace?}} just to let some future person know it'd be nice if such images were available. ---Stephen Ewen 13:55, 17 June 2007 (CDT)
- Stephen, many thanks for the heads up. If anyone who reads this does have, or know of, public domain or free equivalents for the illustrations used here with permission, that would be great! They are mighty hard to find, but it would always be preferable to use such if available! Russell Potter 15:03, 17 June 2007 (CDT)