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FWIW the wikipedia has an article on William Wordsworth's sister, whose own writing has been thoroughly examined by scholars, but none on John, or his father, also named John.  [[User:George Swan|George Swan]] ([[User talk:George Swan|talk]]) 15:42, 26 March 2022 (CDT)
 
== citizenship and the Act of Union... ==
 
[https://citizendium.org/wiki/index.php?title=John_Wordsworth_(1772-1805)&diff=865848&oldid=865621 This] changed <code><nowiki>[[British people|British]] sailor</nowiki></code> to <code><nowiki>[[United Kingdom|British]] sailor</nowiki></code>.
 
It is an idiosyncracy of mine.  The [[Act of Union]], where the formerly separate Kingdom of Ireland joined with [[Great Britain]], in 1800, created the [[United Kingdom]].  People born prior to 1800, like Wordsworth, were either born citizens of Ireland, or Great Britain.  When citizenship is implied I prefer to reserve English to people born prior to England's merge with Scotland, and British for people born prior to the Act of Union.
 
Unfortunately there is no handy equivalent for citizens of the UK, to correspond to English, Welsh or Scottish - there is no UKian.
 
Over on the wikipedia, and the WMF commons, there was an otherwise friendly reasonable guy who would routinely disagree with my geographical categorizations.  Toronto, where we both live, amalgamated dozen of smaller municipalities.  If a historic picture was taken on Bloor Street, and, when it was taken, that part of Bloor was in the former village of Swansea, or former township of Etobicoke, I thought the categorization should reflect that.
 
The importance of this I think is shown with the changing boundaries to Ukraine, and Crimea.  Crimea was officially part of Ukraine, from the break-up of the Soviet Union, until a few years ago.  Some people argue that, in spite of Russian occupation, it is still part of Ukraine.
 
Over on the wikipedia someone challenged me over links like <code><nowiki>[[Russia]]n person</nowiki></code> or even <code><nowiki>[[Canadian]] person</nowiki></code>.  There were separate articles on [[Canada]] and [[Canadian]], and neither one dealt solely with people from that country.  That is why I link specifically to <code><nowiki>[[Nationish people|Nationish]] person</nowiki></code>, even when <code>[[Nationish people]]</code> is a redlink.
 
Lol.  But I don't want to exhaust anyone with a detailed examination of this specific question.  I'll go along with whatever is the convention here.  [[User:George Swan|George Swan]] ([[User talk:George Swan|talk]]) 15:34, 26 March 2022 (CDT)

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FWIW the wikipedia has an article on William Wordsworth's sister, whose own writing has been thoroughly examined by scholars, but none on John, or his father, also named John. George Swan (talk) 15:42, 26 March 2022 (CDT)

citizenship and the Act of Union...

This changed [[British people|British]] sailor to [[United Kingdom|British]] sailor.

It is an idiosyncracy of mine. The Act of Union, where the formerly separate Kingdom of Ireland joined with Great Britain, in 1800, created the United Kingdom. People born prior to 1800, like Wordsworth, were either born citizens of Ireland, or Great Britain. When citizenship is implied I prefer to reserve English to people born prior to England's merge with Scotland, and British for people born prior to the Act of Union.

Unfortunately there is no handy equivalent for citizens of the UK, to correspond to English, Welsh or Scottish - there is no UKian.

Over on the wikipedia, and the WMF commons, there was an otherwise friendly reasonable guy who would routinely disagree with my geographical categorizations. Toronto, where we both live, amalgamated dozen of smaller municipalities. If a historic picture was taken on Bloor Street, and, when it was taken, that part of Bloor was in the former village of Swansea, or former township of Etobicoke, I thought the categorization should reflect that.

The importance of this I think is shown with the changing boundaries to Ukraine, and Crimea. Crimea was officially part of Ukraine, from the break-up of the Soviet Union, until a few years ago. Some people argue that, in spite of Russian occupation, it is still part of Ukraine.

Over on the wikipedia someone challenged me over links like [[Russia]]n person or even [[Canadian]] person. There were separate articles on Canada and Canadian, and neither one dealt solely with people from that country. That is why I link specifically to [[Nationish people|Nationish]] person, even when Nationish people is a redlink.

Lol. But I don't want to exhaust anyone with a detailed examination of this specific question. I'll go along with whatever is the convention here. George Swan (talk) 15:34, 26 March 2022 (CDT)

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