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Creating the talk page.[[User:Mark Widmer|Mark Widmer]] ([[User talk:Mark Widmer|talk]]) 02:57, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
Creating the talk page.[[User:Mark Widmer|Mark Widmer]] ([[User talk:Mark Widmer|talk]]) 02:57, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
== Lower-case q? ==


:Lower-case q? [[User:Peter Jackson|Peter Jackson]] ([[User talk:Peter Jackson|talk]]) 10:21, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
:Lower-case q? [[User:Peter Jackson|Peter Jackson]] ([[User talk:Peter Jackson|talk]]) 10:21, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
::I would be fine with making q lower-case, especially if that is standard Citizendium format. [[User:Mark Widmer|Mark Widmer]] ([[User talk:Mark Widmer|talk]]) 02:07, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
::I would be fine with making q lower-case, especially if that is standard Citizendium format. [[User:Mark Widmer|Mark Widmer]] ([[User talk:Mark Widmer|talk]]) 02:07, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
== Planned additional sections ==


This page is a work in progress, and the following benchmark units are planned or proposed.[[User:Mark Widmer|Mark Widmer]] ([[User talk:Mark Widmer|talk]]) 02:07, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
This page is a work in progress, and the following benchmark units are planned or proposed.[[User:Mark Widmer|Mark Widmer]] ([[User talk:Mark Widmer|talk]]) 02:07, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
:Dimensionless quantities (Fine-structure constant, Avogadro's number ... and everything in between)
:Acceleration
:Power
:Force
:Pressure
:Density
:Electric charge
:Electric charge
:Voltage
:Coefficient of thermal expansion
:Electric field
:Magnetic field
:Money/currency? Really not a physics topic, so arguably doesn't belong here. But could be useful, if not here then maybe in a new page of non-physics benchmarks?
:Money/currency? Really not a physics topic, so arguably doesn't belong here. But could be useful, if not here then maybe in a new page of non-physics benchmarks?
== Alphabetize the sections? ==
It might be useful to sort the sections into alpabetic order, though I am unsure how you would sort a section with multiple names, such as ''Angular or rotational speed''. [[User:Pat Palmer|Pat Palmer]] ([[User talk:Pat Palmer|talk]]) 05:45, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
:Good idea, I have alphabetized the sections. [[User:Mark Widmer|Mark Widmer]] ([[User talk:Mark Widmer|talk]]) 02:45, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
== Style/guidelines/scope for article ==
In creating this article, I had in mind a page that's layperson-friendly, while maintaining accuracy as a useful reference. With that in mind, and trying to keep a consistent style through the article, I've been trying to follow the following guidelines [[User:Mark Widmer|Mark Widmer]] ([[User talk:Mark Widmer|talk]]) 02:57, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
: Give most values as 1 or 2 significant figures, while quantities that are considered definitions might go to 3 sig figs.
:: That being said, I'm still mulling over using 3 sig figs for densities of elements.
: For very large or very small numbers, use both
:: scientific notion -- for it's compactness and making it easy to compare widely different numbers -- and
:: common language like "30 billion" or "30 billionths" -- because it's more likely to be understood by laypeople -- while
:: ''not'' writing numbers as, e.g. "30,000,000,000" or "0.00000003" -- because I've never been fond of having to count a bunch of zeroes.
: Stay away from obscure quantities that only experts might be familiar with, such as:
:: The fine structure constant
:: "Planck values", e.g. Planck length, Planck time, Planck mass, etc. (I had included some of these initially, but have since deleted them as not being layperson-friendly.)
:: Properties of quarks, neutrinos, and any subatomic particles other than electrons, protons, and neutrons. (Note, ''Dark matter'' is mentioned in the Density section. While not something that is read about every day, dark matter does get mentioned fairly often in popular articles on astronomy.)
: A standard format for the text preceding each table has been adopted. The text is organized into 3 parts as follows ([[User:Mark Widmer|Mark Widmer]] ([[User talk:Mark Widmer|talk]]) 21:05, 27 December 2020 (UTC))
:: An introductory or explanatory statement
:: Units used for the quantity -- list the SI unit first, then give alternative units
:: A ''quick scale'', giving several representative objects covering a wide range of values for the quantity.
::: For the "Quick scale" paragraphs, use reference objects that people are either familiar with (The Sun and Earth, a typical person, an FM radio signal, air) or have likely heard about frequently (a hydrogen atom, the speed of light).
: The above guidelines are of course open to discussion.
== Reference requested! ==
Okay, I have to ask for a reference for the highest acceleration survived by a human!  That has to be a story worth knowing. [[User:Pat Palmer|Pat Palmer]] ([[User talk:Pat Palmer|talk]]) 13:55, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
== PH? ==
How about some benchmark quantities for PH?  [[User:Pat Palmer|Pat Palmer]] ([[User talk:Pat Palmer|talk]]) 13:18, 7 April 2022 (CDT)
: Good idea, I have created a section for pH. [[User:Mark Widmer|Mark Widmer]] ([[User talk:Mark Widmer|talk]]) 16:38, 8 April 2022 (CDT)

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Creating the talk page.Mark Widmer (talk) 02:57, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Lower-case q?

Lower-case q? Peter Jackson (talk) 10:21, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
I would be fine with making q lower-case, especially if that is standard Citizendium format. Mark Widmer (talk) 02:07, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Planned additional sections

This page is a work in progress, and the following benchmark units are planned or proposed.Mark Widmer (talk) 02:07, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Electric charge
Coefficient of thermal expansion
Money/currency? Really not a physics topic, so arguably doesn't belong here. But could be useful, if not here then maybe in a new page of non-physics benchmarks?

Alphabetize the sections?

It might be useful to sort the sections into alpabetic order, though I am unsure how you would sort a section with multiple names, such as Angular or rotational speed. Pat Palmer (talk) 05:45, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

Good idea, I have alphabetized the sections. Mark Widmer (talk) 02:45, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

Style/guidelines/scope for article

In creating this article, I had in mind a page that's layperson-friendly, while maintaining accuracy as a useful reference. With that in mind, and trying to keep a consistent style through the article, I've been trying to follow the following guidelines Mark Widmer (talk) 02:57, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Give most values as 1 or 2 significant figures, while quantities that are considered definitions might go to 3 sig figs.
That being said, I'm still mulling over using 3 sig figs for densities of elements.
For very large or very small numbers, use both
scientific notion -- for it's compactness and making it easy to compare widely different numbers -- and
common language like "30 billion" or "30 billionths" -- because it's more likely to be understood by laypeople -- while
not writing numbers as, e.g. "30,000,000,000" or "0.00000003" -- because I've never been fond of having to count a bunch of zeroes.
Stay away from obscure quantities that only experts might be familiar with, such as:
The fine structure constant
"Planck values", e.g. Planck length, Planck time, Planck mass, etc. (I had included some of these initially, but have since deleted them as not being layperson-friendly.)
Properties of quarks, neutrinos, and any subatomic particles other than electrons, protons, and neutrons. (Note, Dark matter is mentioned in the Density section. While not something that is read about every day, dark matter does get mentioned fairly often in popular articles on astronomy.)
A standard format for the text preceding each table has been adopted. The text is organized into 3 parts as follows (Mark Widmer (talk) 21:05, 27 December 2020 (UTC))
An introductory or explanatory statement
Units used for the quantity -- list the SI unit first, then give alternative units
A quick scale, giving several representative objects covering a wide range of values for the quantity.
For the "Quick scale" paragraphs, use reference objects that people are either familiar with (The Sun and Earth, a typical person, an FM radio signal, air) or have likely heard about frequently (a hydrogen atom, the speed of light).
The above guidelines are of course open to discussion.

Reference requested!

Okay, I have to ask for a reference for the highest acceleration survived by a human! That has to be a story worth knowing. Pat Palmer (talk) 13:55, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

PH?

How about some benchmark quantities for PH? Pat Palmer (talk) 13:18, 7 April 2022 (CDT)

Good idea, I have created a section for pH. Mark Widmer (talk) 16:38, 8 April 2022 (CDT)