Talk:Pin bowling

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Will complete scoring section once template for bowling scores is complete. --Robert W King 17:46, 3 October 2007 (CDT) See template:bowlingscoresheet. --Robert W King 00:30, 5 October 2007 (CDT)

I think Robert is sitting in the bowling alley using wireless and his laptop to write this, camera at side. :D Stephen Ewen 23:38, 1 November 2007 (CDT)

HA!!! Actually I'm at home, but I debated on uploading the reset button image. I determined it was probably significant enough since it's still used today (and I mentioned it in the articlespace). But I don't think I got any strange looks while I was photographing since it did it kinda slyly. Oh, and until I get a better one, all my images are taken with the LG vx9900 enV, but I'm trying to get a hold of a Samsung SCHA990 which has a 3.2 megapixel camera on it! --Robert W King 23:41, 1 November 2007 (CDT)

The funny thing is, I went to the bowling alley expressly to take photos, and then get a few games in. I ended up taking like 20 pictures in various lighting modes and angles to get the ones I wanted. --Robert W King 23:45, 1 November 2007 (CDT)

A couple of comments

• I cleaned up the food paragraph but didn't touch the equipment paragraphs in which you also use the second-person "you" fairly frequently. I myself am definitely against this usage in this sort of encyclopediac venture because of its "informality", for lack of a better word. And I *think* I saw, a month ago, a comment by Larry to someone about an article in which he said that the "you"s should be changed. You might check with him about this, however.

• You're too young to remember, and I hardly recall it myself, but there was a period in the 1960s and 70s, I believe, in which bowling was a *growth industry*, almost like the dot com bubble! AMB (American Bowling or some such) was a high-flying stock worth billions as alleys opened left and right. And then it all collapsed. I really think that before you ask for approved status for this article that it should have a *history* of bowling included. For instance, when I was kid, and tried to roll my first game at age 7 or 8, almost 60 years ago, bowling was a *very* marginal sport, associated, I would say, with the truly "lower orders". In the late 50s it certainly enjoyed some growth and became better known because of television. And then in the 60s it exploded, at least for a while. Some mention, and some statistics about all of this should be included. I think I remember reading for years that more people bowled than participated in any other sport, maybe than in *all* other sports combined....

• Plus, now that I think of it, some history indicating the *origins* of modern bowling. From "boules", for instance, and "bocce", and "petanque" and God knows what else.... Hayford Peirce 17:02, 2 November 2007 (CDT)

One thing I see lacking here is info about bowling's greats. Stephen Ewen 22:19, 4 November 2007 (CST)

I am unable to write anything about the "history" of bowling because I'm a skeptic of everything I've read about it so far (mostly because to me, it sounds made-up), so I will have to defer that duty to someone else.

As far as the greats, and industry history, I suppose I can cover that. --Robert W King 22:26, 4 November 2007 (CST)

Let me see what I can find from some academic databases. There's got to be a ligit history of bowling. Stephen Ewen 00:13, 5 November 2007 (CST)

Stephen, thanks for the resources. I was able to extract about half-a-page of mostly relevant material to some aspects from history of bowling itself, but I'm not sure how to integrate it. Surely, though, I need more legitimate information before a total history profile can be written. --Robert W King 11:40, 5 November 2007 (CST)

I'd like to see if the article can be approved as 1.0 in it's current status; the history of the industry I feel should be left to the next version because it requires so much (potentially obscure) research, and I don't want to speculate. --Robert W King 18:30, 16 November 2007 (CST)

Bits and pieces

Collected to form history section:

Bowling started elite and became plebian.

Five-pin bowling was invented in Canada by Thomas Ryan soon after the turn of the 20th century. Ryan owned a ten-pin bowling alley in toronto.

The advantage of five-pin over ten-pin:

• more relaxing
• lighter balls
• smaller pins
• less strenuous than ten-pin

Corporate welfare programs promoted leagues:

• Canadian Pacific and Great West Life
• Robert Simpson, Eaton's and R.H. Williams
• John Deere, General Moters
• Elevator League

women's participation in bowling became significant because of the strange appeal that women would involve themselves in such activities. It broke down the social barrier between young men(who worked there) and women who participated.

The YMCA started the “Leasure Time League” in Clagary in 1931. and the Canadian Youth Congress.

Cite Periodical
title = Labour
Date= Fall 1999
Issue=44
Page=149
Author= MacMillan, Ian
ISSN: 07003862

The history of bowling goes back to at least the late 1800s: in 1865, Vassar College opened a physical fitness facility that contained a bowling section.

The New York Clipper, 1868, a woman bowled a 300 and 290 on the same night in 10 pin.

Cite Journal
Name=Journal of Popular Culture
Title=American Sportswomen in the 19th Century
Author= Bulger, Margery A.
Pages=16
Publisher= Central Michigan University, Mt Pleasant, MI

Helping to invigorate the culture of bowling to the masses (mass appeal)

Brunswick offers discounts to those providing email contact information. Discounts include: free bowling for an hour 99-cent bowling “Free Fridays” during summer months

Cite magazine
title= Case Study: Rolling Strikes
author= Magill, Ken
name=Direct
Date=October 2007
pages=89
publisher=prism business media

Pin setup/numbering picture needed

I would like to see the pins setup with the numbering system, so that things like the 7-10 split could be well-explained. PS: Bowling is now back on TV on the ESPN Classic channel.

Scientific American page with photos

The Jan. issue has a page devoted to the pin spotting machines, complete with pix and diagrams.... Hayford Peirce 19:05, 30 December 2007 (CST)

Is there a weblink? --Robert W King 21:17, 30 December 2007 (CST)

Their basic site is www.sciam.com. Some of their shorter articles have additional links, but this one apparently doesn't. The title of the page is "Perpetual Reset Machine" under the Section "Working Knowledge" - "Bowling Pinsetters". Maybe you can find it somewhere -- I couldn't.... Hayford Peirce 21:50, 30 December 2007 (CST)

It's here but blocked by some murderous, absurd pay-for-content scheme that I refuse to believe in. --Robert W King 03:43, 31 December 2007 (CST)

Yeah, that's what I figured.... Hayford Peirce 10:47, 31 December 2007 (CST)

Too bad too, I probably would have loved to have read it. --Robert W King 10:49, 31 December 2007 (CST)

You're such a nice guy, as a New Year's offering, I'll scan it. How do you suggest that I save it, and then what shall I do with the saved file? Email to you? Or...? Hayford Peirce 11:51, 31 December 2007 (CST)

I'm not condoning anything but I will tell you that my favourite document preference is .PDF first, then image scans (jpeg, gif) second. Drop me a message and I'll return to you so you can have my address. --Robert W King 11:53, 31 December 2007 (CST)