User talk:Louis F. Sander

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Kind Regards, Robert Tito |  Talk  14:04, 28 March 2007 (CDT)

please add workgroup category tags to articles

Please add workgroup category tags to articles -Tom Kelly (Talk) 01:17, 29 March 2007 (CDT)

ok, first check out http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/CZ:Workgroups - which you can get to from the left navigation panel under 'workgroups.' check out the various workgroups that exist. I'll write more in a second. I made capital letters in my summary, please ignore, it is to get attention of other users -Tom Kelly (Talk) 01:26, 29 March 2007 (CDT)

http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/User_talk:Thomas_E_Kelly#Copy_from_CZ:Notice_Board -Tom Kelly (Talk) 13:46, 29 March 2007 (CDT)

Do you agree with Wikipedia credit? I don't...

Hi Louis, I like the growth in the number of military authors I see; the subject interests me, but I have little expertise in the field. I noticed at USS Rankin (AKA-103) that one of the other CZ authors added the "Article from Wikipedia" tag (checkmark on edit page, at the bottom). I have my doubts about this, and for the following reasons: 1.) The original is a modifed DANFS article, not a Wikipedia product. 2.) You did the work on the WP article, so any copyright is yours to change anyway. 3.) You have modified the article to your own liking on Citizendium and the "new" article is not modified WP, it is modified DANFS. 4.) I doubt very much that the person who added the WP tag had any idea of the WP article's history. 5) You clearly state that you use DANFS as reference, not Wikipedia.

The reason I write this is because I feel that it may be an issue that needs to be clarified, so that the right persons (yourself, in this case) and original citations (DANFS) should get credit, and that this is a matter which deserves discussion in the forums, specifically relating to these cases where an open source like DANFS is the original. I do not wish to make such a posting on the forums without gauging your opinion. Regards, Christo Muller (Talk) 17:24, 29 March 2007 (CDT)

I've put the issue to the forum at http://forum.citizendium.org/index.php/topic,718.0.html Christo Muller (Talk) 19:46, 29 March 2007 (CDT)

Thanks for the link

Thanks for bringing that opinion piece on writing about epilepsy to me. I agree with the writer, absolutely. I have a take on it that is not often expressed, though - it's not just about the writer, it is more importantly about the reader, and when it comes to topics like "Epilepsy" one of those readers is surely someone who just got the diagnosis, or the parent of someone that did. That's why it is so important to have accuracy, sensitivity and perspective in such articles, that's why it's more than just an annoyance to the expert to have an article, as he describes, ruined with passing edits, it removes that article as a reliable source of information.Instead of realizing the potential to spread enlightenment and education, it can spread instead rumor and speculation, and that is really a shame. I do hope we can do better, and thanks -again. Nancy Sculerati

Computers Workgroup

"Writing Experience: This includes about 500 articles, columns, programs and reviews for dozens of print publications, including local newspapers and computer magazines with worldwide circulation."

Good god man! The Computers Workgroup could use your help! Seriously that much experience writing articles should be put to good use :) --Eric M Gearhart 11:20, 31 March 2007 (CDT)

Images

Hi Lousi. Thanks for your contributions to CZ! Please do me a huge favor and review the images you recently uploaded. One or more lack licensing information. Please see Help:Images#Copyrights and kindly remedy this situation. Thanks! - Stephen Ewen 01:12, 2 April 2007 (CDT)

Articles on CZ

Thanks for the great contributions you've made to the historical side of CZ, however please add the Article Checklist to the articles you've created, and also please add the appropriate category tags to the main article. The ship articles you've uploaded should probably be in [[Category:CZ Live]], [[Category:History Workgroup]] and [[Category:Military Workgroup]] --Eric M Gearhart 13:21, 8 April 2007 (CDT)

Hey I replied over at Talk:USS Alamance (AKA-75) so you can see what I'm talking about. Looks pretty good though :-) --Eric M Gearhart 14:55, 8 April 2007 (CDT)

Since basically nothing links to these articles, I take it that they are Underlinked=Yes. Am I right?

These articles are my tiny contribution to military history; they're a LOT better than just the DANFS articles. I'd rather have them over here than in the other place, where any anonymous idiot can mess them up. Louis F. Sander 15:01, 8 April 2007 (CDT)

Yes exactly. underlinked = yes for now. Hopefully these articles get linked in to some battles and whatnot the ships participated in, in the future. And yes... they are well quite well written honestly :) --Eric M Gearhart 15:12, 8 April 2007 (CDT)

The ship articles do not normally belong in the History Workgroup. Unless they were historically very important like the Mayflower or Lusitania, the historians have nothing to say. Richard Jensen 08:11, 26 April 2007 (CDT)

Sorry

Hey I'm very sorry I must overlooked that. I only skimmed the section titles and thought they were the same. Please forgive me and I'll add the CZ Live label back. Thanks! Yi Zhe Wu 21:22, 16 April 2007 (CDT)

Images--how to document

Hi. We appreciate very much your contributions to the Citizendium. I was hoping you could help clear up a matter about the images you recently uploaded. They are lacking clear copyright and source data and need to have it as soon as practicable to avoid deletion. To fix the problem, please review the images you uploaded (click on "my contributions" at the upper-right to re-trace your steps or see the links I added) in light of Images Help—Copyrights. If you need additional help, just ask a constable or leave a message on my talk page and I'll be more than glad to assist. — Stephen Ewen 20:41, 22 April 2007 (CDT)

Ships

Hi Louis,

Just a quick note -- I understand (somewhat) why Richard doesn't want all the ships in the History workgroup - but they should have some sort of listing somewhere! Might it be possible for you to create an index page, "Naval Ships" or "Naval Ships of "xx" Class"? Then, if that page itself were tagged to the History group, and/or to other groups, the ship entries would not be entirely orphaned. Just an idea. Cheers, Russell Potter 17:38, 30 April 2007 (CDT)

Image:Papua_new_guinea_northern_province.png

Hi Lou, sorry to have to do this. This image that you uploaded to here from Wikimedia Commons has the problem described here. You can try to contact the user on his Polish talk page here. He very probably can read some English but you can include this link in your message if not. Your goal in your message there could be to just get him to email you. His name will probably appear in his email to you, then you can ask him if it is alright to post it here with the image. In that case, you can post the email as documentation and it need to trace back to Wikimedia Commons. Let me know what you plan to do, because this image otherwise needs to be deleted. In point of fact, we have no real basis to know whether the image is as the user claims and a real name is the minimum requirement for authentication. Stephen Ewen 22:49, 30 April 2007 (CDT)

A perhaps better image, and one in the public domain from 1943 from U.S. Division of Ocean Science (OCE), is at http://images.nationmaster.com/images/motw/historical/engineers_v1_1947/new_guinea_airfields_1943.jpg There are many excellent free maps pf PPG at http://maps.nationmaster.com/country/pp/1 Stephen Ewen 17:56, 1 May 2007 (CDT)

That IS a great source of maps, and one that I did not know about. Thanks for the info. Their copyright page says that users can't copy their maps, however. Louis F. Sander 20:57, 1 May 2007 (CDT)

Their maps. That's the problem. I do not see any of their maps in their assembled work. I would question their claim. Works of public domain maps may be subject to new copyright if incorporated "with some new maps".[1] Stephen Ewen 04:35, 2 May 2007 (CDT)