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=== Welcome ===

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You can find some more information about our collaboration groups if you follow this link [[CZ:Workgroups]].You can always ask me on my talk page or others about how to proceed or any other question you might have.

Have fun and Happy editing!

--[[User:D. Matt Innis|Matt Innis]] [[User talk:D. Matt Innis|(Talk)]] 19:00, 29 March 2007 (CDT)

== Image ==

Hi Rob. Do me a favor and put some licensing data at the screenshot image page you uploaded. Thanks! [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 00:28, 26 April 2007 (CDT)
:I will modify the licensing info today, when I figure out what I need to put!

== Formatting line ==

That line in USS Almaak and other ships is on my browser, too. I think it's the way things work, though I wish it would cut off at the table. [[User:Louis F. Sander|Louis F. Sander]] 20:41, 7 May 2007 (CDT)
:Maybe it's a known issue and is already on the forums.--[[User:Robert W King|Robert W King]] 08:16, 9 May 2007 (CDT)

==history of computing==
Robert, hi there, and thanks for contributing to [[Talk:History_of_computing]].  I'd like to request that you please don't strike out more of the items on the brainstorm list; they are just suggestions at this point and of course are subject to debate. Instead, please register your opinions as comments below (begin with multiple colons) or new sections on the page. I assure you we will listen to your opinions.Pat Palmer 07:43, 12 May 2007 (CDT)

==too much Babbage on "history of computing"; can we move stuff to "Charles Babbage" instead?==
Thanks for working on the article.  I'd like to keep the Babbage part on [[history of computing]] short, and add the details over on [[Charles Babbage]] if at all possible.  You might think over which place the details you added would best reside; I didn't give it a lot of thought, but I feel the Babbage part of [[history of computing]] is now too long (relative to the other sections there). [[User:Pat Palmer|Pat Palmer]] 14:12, 14 May 2007 (CDT)
:See Talk page on history of computing for my response. --[[User:Robert W King|Robert W King]] 16:28, 14 May 2007 (CDT)

== History of Computing Timeline ==

[[image:timeline.jpg|center|thumb]]

== timeline as table YES! ==
Robert, I like the table version of the timeline at [[User:Robert_W_King/Sandbox]].  It might be nice to narrow it up just a bit, but that works; people can add items later if they feel a need.  Thanks for checking in about it (and working on [[history of computing]]. [[User:Pat Palmer|Pat Palmer]] 19:56, 21 May 2007 (CDT)

==Quill pens==
At least I don't use a quill pen on my legal pad -- although with all the quail running around my back yard I suppose that I could catch one and fashion my own.  How about a CZ article on making quill pens and one's own ink?  Cheers, [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 21:27, 30 May 2007 (CDT)

==Burnt toast==
I agree with your comments.  In fact I'm *appalled* by all the nonsense in it.  You should see the hundreds of links that I've already cut out.  I'll try whittling it down some more from time to time.... Best, [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 16:15, 4 June 2007 (CDT)

== Billiard Balls? ==

Nope, No idea!!!  Funny though :)  Do you think he is talking about how billiard balls ricochet off the sides like light reflects???  Dr. Tito definitely keep me thinking:-) [[User:D. Matt Innis|Matt Innis]] [[User talk:D. Matt Innis|(Talk)]] 13:21, 7 June 2007 (CDT)

== apple ==

The picture was blurry when it was taken, and though I tried to edit it to make it better but that didn't help. I will probably try to take a better picture later and then upload it. Regards. [[User:Yi Zhe Wu|Yi Zhe Wu]] 13:04, 14 June 2007 (CDT)
:I've got a better one on it's way.--[[User:Robert W King|Robert W King]] 13:03, 14 June 2007 (CDT)
::It's a lot better. Thanks. You can request deletion of my blurry picture. Just have a question, on your image it says they are two different types of apples, but why they look the same? Regards. [[User:Yi Zhe Wu|Yi Zhe Wu]] 13:19, 14 June 2007 (CDT)
:::With apples, often the skin gives it away.  --[[User:Robert W King|Robert W King]] 13:23, 14 June 2007 (CDT)
:::Additionally, I ate them right after taking the picture.  They had different texture and slightly different taste, but you'd never know that from the photograph.--[[User:Robert W King|Robert W King]] 13:28, 14 June 2007 (CDT)
Are there no green apples in the USA? About half of apples in Europe are red, the others are green or yellow-green. WE should try to get some pics of non-red ones LOL --[[User:Martin Baldwin-Edwards|Martin Baldwin-Edwards]] 13:38, 14 June 2007 (CDT)
:He ate the green one before the picture... and that must be a really good camera phone! --[[User:D. Matt Innis|Matt Innis]] [[User talk:D. Matt Innis|(Talk)]] 13:43, 14 June 2007 (CDT)
::Example: [[Image:Flowers_edited_compressed.jpg|left|thumb|800px]]

==Images==
Thanks for the tip -- after lunch (no french fries, chips, martinis, or manhattans!), I'll try to make some sense of this image stuff once and for all.  Is a puzzlement! [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 14:54, 15 June 2007 (CDT)
:I just posted this to Stephen Ewen talk page: "It looks to me as if Attribution gives more rights away, whereas the other one restricts more.  And the green color of the Attribution notice apparently means that it is freer than the yellow of Cc. So I guess that in respect to my own photos that I've uploaded it's Attribution that I want.  Thanks for the help!" So I thank you also -- this whole image business is certainly an enormous can of worms! [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 17:56, 15 June 2007 (CDT)

== Versions ==

Just a question, what is the difference between cc license versions like 1.0, 2.0, and 3.0? As far as I can read from the text of the licenses, they look the same verbatim. Thanks! [[User:Yi Zhe Wu|Yi Zhe Wu]] 15:35, 15 June 2007 (CDT)

:One can read the CC lists about how they change details in the licenses. It is kind of ridiculous, actually, given that the changes are not really THAT significant, and that it complicates things so much via proliferation of licenses. [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 13:23, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

== Virginia image ==

Sure, but it is too big to upload it to CZ, would you like me to email it to you? Also I have several other images from Mount Vernon I took during the March trip, if you would like to see them I can email those as well. [[User:Yi Zhe Wu|Yi Zhe Wu]] 13:19, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

:You can just get a free image viewer life IrfanView which has a simply function to resize images. [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 13:22, 20 June 2007 (CDT)
::Image email sent. [[User:Yi Zhe Wu|Yi Zhe Wu]] 13:39, 20 June 2007 (CDT)
:::It's great! You are an expert in photoshopping. I may resize and upload it. Your credit will be there, but which license would you prefer? [[User:Yi Zhe Wu|Yi Zhe Wu]] 17:00, 20 June 2007 (CDT)
::::Just CC-by-sa or whatever the rest of my images are, version 3.0.--[[User:Robert W King|Robert W King]] 22:33, 20 June 2007 (CDT)
:::::Hey, no problem, and seems like the mess has been fixed. Thanks! [[User:Yi Zhe Wu|Yi Zhe Wu]] 10:59, 22 June 2007 (CDT)

== Humorous edits ==

Just saw the humor list on your user page. Glad I made the list! Naturally, I saw the edit sum just as a clicked the "post" button and said, "Oh, s**t". But here's one for the ages. On the ''Highland games'' article on Wikipedia, one sentence (I wrote it) used to read:

:The various clan societies make the Highland games one of the main foci of their seasonal activities . . ."

The Wikipedia editor changed ''foci'' to ''focus'' commenting in his edit summary that "this is the English Wikipedia, not the Latin". Perhaps he should have said "bad English" since there is now an incorrect agreement of number (singular / plural). Also, I was wondering: should I now start deleting all the Latin (and Latin derivative) words from WP? The word ''focus'' is Latin? [[User:James F. Perry|James F. Perry]] 12:35, 21 June 2007 (CDT)

==[[:Image:Mtvernonli.jpg]]==
It's a good idea to say in what way you modified the image.  [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 22:11, 22 June 2007 (CDT)

== Thanks ==

.. for the help on [[Unertan Syndrome]].  Very much appreciated ;-) --[[User:D. Matt Innis|Matt Innis]] [[User talk:D. Matt Innis|(Talk)]] 15:31, 27 June 2007 (CDT)
:Anytime.--[[User:Robert W King|Robert W King]] 15:36, 27 June 2007 (CDT)

== Camembert ==

Thanks for the offer -- I didn't see it until I had muddled my way through.  I must have dropped a </ref> or something somewhere -- this is NOT an intuitive process![[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 16:25, 27 June 2007 (CDT)
:Thanks -- I'll study those and see what I can do with them.  I've mostly just been copying other sources and/or recalling my old U. days many centuries ago.  I'm sure, however, that neither CZ or WP will ever be standardized in this matter, no matter how much effort goes into it. Viz, for instance, the arguments about Harvard vs. Vancouver vs. CMS for footnotes.... [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 16:44, 27 June 2007 (CDT)
==NFPA==
After this edit [http://en.citizendium.org/wiki?title=Template:NFPA_2_0&curid=100020861&diff=100128358&oldid=100128355] the problems still persisit in mozilla, firefox and safari.  I have to run but will be happy to check things from my end later on. Sorry to be the bearer of this frustrating news. [[User:Chris Day|Chris Day]] [[User talk:Chris Day|(talk)]] 16:21, 2 July 2007 (CDT)
[[Image:New look.jpg|thumb|400px|Left is from the template page, right is from the [[Scandium ]] page.]]
:The sticky problem has gone away now.  When i scroll all the elements stay put. There is still a ''fitting together'' issue.  You can see what i see on my browser in the figure to the right. [[User:Chris Day|Chris Day]] [[User talk:Chris Day|(talk)]] 09:47, 3 July 2007 (CDT)
::Note i just added the mozilla and firefox screenshots.  i have no idea which are the latest versions so i added that info too.  Possibly that could make a difference?  Not that all three browsers show a subtly different version.  Mozilla places the text in the correct place and seem to give the best result.  i don't have netscape or IE. [[User:Chris Day|Chris Day]] [[User talk:Chris Day|(talk)]] 10:21, 3 July 2007 (CDT)

:::I just added the scandium page screen shots.  The mozilla one looks perfect. :)  [[User:Chris Day|Chris Day]] [[User talk:Chris Day|(talk)]] 10:29, 3 July 2007 (CDT)

==Hayford the Wikicomber==
Thanks!  I wish I had his collection of rum, though![[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 15:35, 3 July 2007 (CDT)

==Famous tennis players table==
I sure hope so! [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 13:35, 5 July 2007 (CDT)
:I'll stop editing now.  I just noticed i undid your davis info move.  There seems to be a lag in the server which may expain that accident. [[User:Chris Day|Chris Day]] [[User talk:Chris Day|(talk)]] 12:22, 6 July 2007 (CDT)

==Could you check how it looks in your browser?==

I have been tinkering with the subpage templates and would be interested, or should I say dread, to hear how it looks on your browser.  Can you have a quick look at the [[Anthropology]] and [[Life]] clusters?  Thanks [[User:Chris Day|Chris Day]] [[User talk:Chris Day|(talk)]] 02:11, 26 July 2007 (CDT)

==NFPA Template==
Responding to your request for feedback on the NFPA template, here is how it looks to me. You can see the text in the Blue, Yellow, and White quadrants doesn't line up right. I'm using Firefox 2.0.0.6 under Windows XP.
[[Image:NFPA_Template_Firefox_Error.png|thumb|400px]]

== Misplaced speedydelete template ==
Re [[Template:Def First Great Awakening]] you apparently have not seen [[CZ:Definitions]] and, for example, [[Biology/Related Articles]].  In the latter, click on one of the [e] links. --[[User:Larry Sanger|Larry Sanger]] 11:20, 8 August 2007 (CDT)

:Gah, whoops!  Apologies Larry, et al!--[[User:Robert W King|Robert W King]] 11:21, 8 August 2007 (CDT)

== Four Courts image ==

Absolutely, and thanks. [[User:Anton Sweeney|Anton Sweeney]] 11:40, 9 August 2007 (CDT)

:Excellent job - well done! [[User:Anton Sweeney|Anton Sweeney]] 12:12, 9 August 2007 (CDT)

==NPA in Safari still a problem==
[[Image:NPA latest.jpg|right]]
Firefox looks perfect. I'm afraid it is still not completely fixed in Safari but getting much closer. You did correct the letter displacement but the triangle placement is still not fixed. Half way there. [[User:Chris Day|Chris Day]] [[User talk:Chris Day|(talk)]] 20:40, 12 August 2007 (CDT)

==Approvel==
Thanks [[User:Chris Day|Chris Day]] [[User talk:Chris Day|(talk)]] 12:32, 14 August 2007 (CDT)

== Velera picture ==

The modification on [[Eamon de Valera]] picture was good, but now I just discovered that the picture might not be the Irish president since the label on the library page only says it's "E. de Valera", I just asked two involved author/editors to verify it. Thanks! [[User:Yi Zhe Wu|Yi Zhe Wu]] 14:23, 16 August 2007 (CDT)

== Sea Stallion ==

Thanks for the help - no idea what was going on there.  I'd tried spaces and underscores both.  Though do note its the Sea S'''t'''allion - the ship has no connection with the Onion Knight that I know of :-)  Oh, and nothing wrong with playing a Blood Elf, except that they're obviously not as cool as Orcs ;-)  Regards, [[User:Anton Sweeney|Anton Sweeney]] 13:58, 24 August 2007 (CDT)

==? fixed ?==
So it's Ok on the talk page now? [[User:Chris Day|Chris Day]] [[User talk:Chris Day|(talk)]] 13:07, 13 September 2007 (CDT)
:yes, it's fixed on your talk page.  On the bottom one.--[[User:Robert W King|Robert W King]] 13:07, 13 September 2007 (CDT)

== Timeline work ==
Hi Rob, your timeline work is looking pretty slick.  But, please, check in with Richard Jensen and maybe some other history editors (are there any others active?) and get their crucial input. --[[User:Larry Sanger|Larry Sanger]] 22:13, 13 September 2007 (CDT)

==Weird little bug, needs squashin'==
Any idea why this one on the left shows up as intended:

{|align="left" cellpadding="0" style="background-color:#FFFFFF; width:0%; border: 1.5px solid #aaa; margin: 15px 15px 15px 0px;  font-size: 90%;"
|
|<div class="floatleft"><small><small>CLICK PICTURE FOR LARGER IMAGE</SMALL></SMALL>[[Image:Kitchen-clinton-butler-staff.jpg|350px|alt text]]<div style="text-align: right;"><small>[[Image:Cc.logo.circle.svg|13px]]&nbsp;Photo: John Doe</small><BR></div><p class="small">
A butler (second from left) overseeing preparation of a meal in the White House's Family Kitchen during the Bill Clinton administration.</p></div>
|}

But when I add the code to templates it appears like:

{{Image right}}<small><small>CLICK PICTURE FOR LARGER IMAGE</SMALL></SMALL>[[Image:Kitchen-clinton-butler-staff.jpg|100px|alt text]]<div style="text-align: right;">{{GNU photo by|John Doe}}A butler (second from left) overseeing preparation of a meal in the White House's Family Kitchen during the Bill Clinton administration.{{Image end}}

{{clear}}

==updates to subpage template==
[[Image:Example tabs.jpg|thumb|500px|<br>Safari on Mac OS X [[User:Chris Day|Chris Day]] [[User talk:Chris Day|(talk)]] 12:50, 15 September 2007 (CDT)]]
[[Image:Talktabstretched.jpg|thumb|500px|<br>Firefox 2.0.0.6 on Mac OS X [[User:Joe Quick|--Joe Quick]]  ([[User talk:Joe Quick|Talk]]) 12:45, 15 September 2007 (CDT)]]
[[Image:McC.jpg|thumb|500px]]

Hi Robert, i just made the edits you suggested. But only to the talk button and the "?" button.  I suspect i will have to make a few more similar edits to perfect the PMAU buttons. I just want to see if this is having the desired effect or not. [[User:Chris Day|Chris Day]] [[User talk:Chris Day|(talk)]] 12:11, 15 September 2007 (CDT)

:So adding that code make some big changes at my end.  Here is are a couple of screen shots one fron an approved article and the other from an unapproved article.  First, while the button is 25px the space for the buttons cell is significantly bigger.  Strangely in the approved article it is massive compared to the unapproved article. Second, the "?" button seems to be cut off from the bottom. Thirdly the unapproved article is not stretching to fill the 100% width, but rather, is just filling in from the left as needed.  That is an attribute i want for the tabs but not for the table as a whole.  I won't do any more until you have a chance to fiddle some more. Lastly, the talk and "?" buttons are too small, note they do not reach the same height as the other tabs. [[User:Chris Day|Chris Day]] [[User talk:Chris Day|(talk)]] 12:39, 15 September 2007 (CDT)
::I just checked moxilla and that looked the same as firefox. i.e. the talk button looks OK apart from the stretch, but the "?" button has height issues as well as strech issues. Note that with 100% width issue is variable. For both safari and mozilla [[New York City]] does not stretch to 100% whereas other unapproved pages, such as the [[Alipiopsitta_xanthops]] example above, do stretch the full 100% fine. [[User:Chris Day|Chris Day]] [[User talk:Chris Day|(talk)]] 12:54, 15 September 2007 (CDT)
:::I just noticed an approved article ([[Barbara McClintock]]} which has the same problem of not allowing a 100% width on a page. <s>I'm not sure why the width problem is only occuring on some pages.</s>[[User:Chris Day|Chris Day]] [[User talk:Chris Day|(talk)]] 16:00, 15 September 2007 (CDT)
::::The 100% width problem is due to the differences between {{tl|subpages}} and {{tl|subpages9}}.  Those differences can be [http://en.citizendium.org/wiki?title=Template%3ASubpages9&diff=100165939&oldid=100164782 seen here]. Given that difference I am assuming that the ''display:table'' addition to this part of the code;
::::<code>{|class=noprint width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="0" style="background:#ffffff;display:table;"</code>
::::Is interferring with the width parameter, at least. [[User:Chris Day|Chris Day]] [[User talk:Chris Day|(talk)]] 16:13, 15 September 2007 (CDT)
:::::try "display:inline;" --[[User:Robert W King|Robert W King]] 16:14, 15 September 2007 (CDT)
::::::You mean replace all the instances of display:table?  or just in the code line above? [[User:Chris Day|Chris Day]] [[User talk:Chris Day|(talk)]] 16:18, 15 September 2007 (CDT)
OK, I just did some different combinations and I have come to a few conclusions. First the use of ''display:inline'', or ''display:table'' will interfere with the width management of a cell.  You can see that since the table collapsed to minimum size when it was added to the code line above or that the talk cell insists on expanding to the available space if the whole table is fixed to 100% (hence the larger amount of space that follows the talk icon). The other conclusion is that whatever we do to one button we need to do to all of them.  At present we have only played with tweeking the "?" and talk buttons.  We have done nothing to the others (main article, draft, default and optional ones). I am assuming this is the reason for the ''talk'' and "?" buttons not aligning correctly with the others. [[User:Chris Day|Chris Day]] [[User talk:Chris Day|(talk)]] 16:53, 15 September 2007 (CDT)
:I just rv'ed everythig back the same status as this morning.  I need to think about the implication of using the ''display'' parameter. [[User:Chris Day|Chris Day]] [[User talk:Chris Day|(talk)]] 17:09, 15 September 2007 (CDT)
::There are other arguments to the display parameter which are on the page I linked to; I also linked to it on Stephen's talk page as well (I think). --[[User:Robert W King|Robert W King]] 17:13, 15 September 2007 (CDT)