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== Links we may need after June 2020 == | |||
* [[:Category:Articles to Approve|articles nominated for approval]] ([[User talk:Pat Palmer|talk]]) | |||
== Site Design == | |||
Not really sure if this is the best place to address this. Have you considered changing the site design though? It's hard to see material from an encyclopedic standpoint with the site zoomed in like it is, first of all. Kind of dizzying I think to try reading when everything is zoomed in. The gray background looks pretty bad also. --[[User:Joshua Zambrano|Joshua Zambrano]] 18:54, 28 March 2014 (UTC) | |||
:Zoomed in? You mean everything is in close-up? You can change that, and the grey background too. I'll see if I can remember how... [[User:Ro Thorpe|Ro Thorpe]] 19:13, 28 March 2014 (UTC) | |||
:You can click on 'my preferences' at the top of the page and experiment. [[User:Ro Thorpe|Ro Thorpe]] 19:16, 28 March 2014 (UTC) | |||
::The default skin is Pinkwich5, which has a greyish background and enlarged font. The skin I prefer using is Monobook. I'm not a fan of Pinkwich5. The previous arguments in the forum of being seen to be different from everyone else and unique has not worked in attracting new users. Let's call a spade a spade - Pinkwich5 is garish and detracts from the overall aesthetic of the website. [[User:Meg Ireland|Meg Ireland]] 03:56, 29 March 2014 (UTC) | |||
Speaking of site design, what would it take to make Citizendium resize on mobile devices? [[User:Richard Nevell|Richard Nevell]] ([[User talk:Richard Nevell|talk]]) 22:39, 2 September 2018 (UTC) | |||
:Richard, I very much agree that making the site mobile friendly is important. I suspect that our best bet of doing that is for our technical gurus to manage to upgrade the Mediawiki software. This is a daunting challenge, however, since at this point, each layer of software from the OS to the web server to the database to the Mediawiki software is now many versions out of date, beside which there are many customizations which have been made, in the past, specifically for Citizendium. They are working on it, and may indeed accomplish it, but such an upgrade will inevitably include some kind of rough waters. So--as of late August 2020, I would say there is hope it will get done, but I cannot say what the timeframe will be, since everyone is an unpaid volunteer and the matters are so tricky. Do know, however, that the software upgrades are in the works which should get Citizendium to be more mobile friendly.[[User:Pat Palmer|Pat Palmer]] ([[User talk:Pat Palmer|talk]]) 10:48, 28 August 2020 (UTC) | |||
== Removing link to article about Citizendium until/unless it can get updated == | |||
This was in the bullet list in the lower right: | |||
* See our [[Citizendium|article on ourselves]]. | |||
It needs to be revamped and updated. New contributors could be seriously confused by reading it. So, I'm now about to remove it from the landing page pending its revision. Then, we can hopefully return it.[[User:Pat Palmer|Pat Palmer]] ([[User talk:Pat Palmer|talk]]) 23:29, 18 August 2020 (UTC) | |||
== | == Added "We strive for objectivity" == | ||
Since The Citizendium no longer enforces what formerly was called Neutrality, I've added "[[CZ:Objectivity_Guidance|We strive for objectivity]].", a short personal essay of my own, to the lower right on the landing page. I hope it won't displease you.[[User:Pat Palmer|Pat Palmer]] ([[User talk:Pat Palmer|talk]]) 22:41, 18 August 2020 (UTC) | |||
== Stashing removed bullet item here (from lower left) == | |||
Archiving this here after removing it from main page because the information appears in upper right in a different format | |||
* | * We have [[:Category:CZ Live|{{PAGESINCAT:CZ Live}}]] articles at different stages of [[CZ:Group Editing|development]], of which [[:Category:Citable versions of articles|{{PAGESINCAT:Citable versions of articles}}]] have expert-[[CZ:Approval Announcements|approved]] [[CZ:Citable Version|citable versions]]. | ||
<!--* Our [[:Category:Approved Articles|{{PAGESINCAT:Approved Articles}} expert-approved articles]] are '''reliable''' and of '''world-class quality''', rivaling the best printed encyclopedias.--> | |||
== Stashing the Monthly Donation Day link here (no longer helpful) == | |||
Archiving this link here after removing it from the landing page because it is so old and not being maintained, nor likely to be. | |||
* [[CZ:Monthly Donation Day|Monthly Donation Day]] '''|''' | |||
: | == Physics Forums link on landing page == | ||
I have added a link to [http://www.physicsforums.com/ Physics Forums] on the landing page (at the bottom of the bullet list). This is due to a deal with the Physics Forum owner, Greg Bernhardt. He doesn't normally allow his site to be used for any kind of solicitation, but in this case, if we link to him, I'll be allowed to solicit for physics experts over there to check out writing in Citizendium. This mutual linking is a new thing; if you know other social/technical forums where we might be able to work out a similar understanding, let's try it![[User:Pat Palmer|Pat Palmer]] ([[User talk:Pat Palmer|talk]]) 23:45, 29 August 2020 (UTC) | |||
:Worth giving a go! [[User:Richard Nevell|Richard Nevell]] ([[User talk:Richard Nevell|talk]]) 22:13, 30 August 2020 (UTC) | |||
::: | == Why Citizendium? needs updating; anybody? == | ||
* See also ''[[CZ:Why Citizendium?|Why Citizendium?]]'' | |||
** I've archived the above link from the landing page until someone updates it. It's still got all the stuff about Editors which is not being done in practice now (and may never return). Anyone want to revise it to fit current times? (Being nice, of course; we are not in competition with Wikipedia).[[User:Pat Palmer|Pat Palmer]] ([[User talk:Pat Palmer|talk]]) 23:49, 29 August 2020 (UTC) | |||
==old server== | |||
:::[[User: | old server temporarily available at http://208.100.31.41/ [[User:George Swan|George Swan]] ([[User talk:George Swan|talk]]) 12:54, 28 March 2022 (CDT) | ||
: As stated in the [[Forum_Talk:Technical_Issues|Forum]], the OLD server is at https://czold.org/ until May 20 of this year. Note that the old server has a pink SiteNotice on every page. The IP address you had is for the new server, and that is a bad way to go it. Go in to the new server at https://citizendium.org/. Please only post on this page if it is about ''this'' page, or something linked to it. [[User:Pat Palmer|Pat Palmer]] ([[User talk:Pat Palmer|talk]]) 16:30, 28 March 2022 (CDT) | |||
== | ==archiving this link == | ||
In case we want it again someday: [[CZ:More_information_for_Physics_Forums_Members]], I'll leave this link here. However, PF did not do its part in publicizing Citizendium, so I'm removing their link from the main page. [[User:Pat Palmer|Pat Palmer]] ([[User talk:Pat Palmer|talk]]) 07:37, 25 April 2022 (CDT) | |||
== Panel == | |||
headed "Some our finest" should mention Ready category. [[User:Peter Jackson|Peter Jackson]] ([[User talk:Peter Jackson|talk]]) 04:38, 31 May 2022 (CDT) | |||
Latest revision as of 03:38, 31 May 2022
| Archives |
| Archive 1, 5-30-09: User_talk:Welcome_to_Citizendium/Archive1 by Caesar Schinas |
| Archive 2, 8-14-13: User_talk:Welcome_to_Citizendium/Archive2 by Pat Palmer |
| Archive 3, 3-3-21: User_talk:Welcome_to_Citizendium/Archive3 by Pat Palmer |
Links we may need after June 2020
Site Design
Not really sure if this is the best place to address this. Have you considered changing the site design though? It's hard to see material from an encyclopedic standpoint with the site zoomed in like it is, first of all. Kind of dizzying I think to try reading when everything is zoomed in. The gray background looks pretty bad also. --Joshua Zambrano 18:54, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
- Zoomed in? You mean everything is in close-up? You can change that, and the grey background too. I'll see if I can remember how... Ro Thorpe 19:13, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
- You can click on 'my preferences' at the top of the page and experiment. Ro Thorpe 19:16, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
- The default skin is Pinkwich5, which has a greyish background and enlarged font. The skin I prefer using is Monobook. I'm not a fan of Pinkwich5. The previous arguments in the forum of being seen to be different from everyone else and unique has not worked in attracting new users. Let's call a spade a spade - Pinkwich5 is garish and detracts from the overall aesthetic of the website. Meg Ireland 03:56, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
Speaking of site design, what would it take to make Citizendium resize on mobile devices? Richard Nevell (talk) 22:39, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
- Richard, I very much agree that making the site mobile friendly is important. I suspect that our best bet of doing that is for our technical gurus to manage to upgrade the Mediawiki software. This is a daunting challenge, however, since at this point, each layer of software from the OS to the web server to the database to the Mediawiki software is now many versions out of date, beside which there are many customizations which have been made, in the past, specifically for Citizendium. They are working on it, and may indeed accomplish it, but such an upgrade will inevitably include some kind of rough waters. So--as of late August 2020, I would say there is hope it will get done, but I cannot say what the timeframe will be, since everyone is an unpaid volunteer and the matters are so tricky. Do know, however, that the software upgrades are in the works which should get Citizendium to be more mobile friendly.Pat Palmer (talk) 10:48, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
Removing link to article about Citizendium until/unless it can get updated
This was in the bullet list in the lower right:
- See our article on ourselves.
It needs to be revamped and updated. New contributors could be seriously confused by reading it. So, I'm now about to remove it from the landing page pending its revision. Then, we can hopefully return it.Pat Palmer (talk) 23:29, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
Added "We strive for objectivity"
Since The Citizendium no longer enforces what formerly was called Neutrality, I've added "We strive for objectivity.", a short personal essay of my own, to the lower right on the landing page. I hope it won't displease you.Pat Palmer (talk) 22:41, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
Stashing removed bullet item here (from lower left)
Archiving this here after removing it from main page because the information appears in upper right in a different format
- We have 16,469 articles at different stages of development, of which 146 have expert-approved citable versions.
Stashing the Monthly Donation Day link here (no longer helpful)
Archiving this link here after removing it from the landing page because it is so old and not being maintained, nor likely to be.
Physics Forums link on landing page
I have added a link to Physics Forums on the landing page (at the bottom of the bullet list). This is due to a deal with the Physics Forum owner, Greg Bernhardt. He doesn't normally allow his site to be used for any kind of solicitation, but in this case, if we link to him, I'll be allowed to solicit for physics experts over there to check out writing in Citizendium. This mutual linking is a new thing; if you know other social/technical forums where we might be able to work out a similar understanding, let's try it!Pat Palmer (talk) 23:45, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
- Worth giving a go! Richard Nevell (talk) 22:13, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
Why Citizendium? needs updating; anybody?
- See also Why Citizendium?
- I've archived the above link from the landing page until someone updates it. It's still got all the stuff about Editors which is not being done in practice now (and may never return). Anyone want to revise it to fit current times? (Being nice, of course; we are not in competition with Wikipedia).Pat Palmer (talk) 23:49, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
old server
old server temporarily available at http://208.100.31.41/ George Swan (talk) 12:54, 28 March 2022 (CDT)
- As stated in the Forum, the OLD server is at https://czold.org/ until May 20 of this year. Note that the old server has a pink SiteNotice on every page. The IP address you had is for the new server, and that is a bad way to go it. Go in to the new server at https://citizendium.org/. Please only post on this page if it is about this page, or something linked to it. Pat Palmer (talk) 16:30, 28 March 2022 (CDT)
archiving this link
In case we want it again someday: CZ:More_information_for_Physics_Forums_Members, I'll leave this link here. However, PF did not do its part in publicizing Citizendium, so I'm removing their link from the main page. Pat Palmer (talk) 07:37, 25 April 2022 (CDT)
Panel
headed "Some our finest" should mention Ready category. Peter Jackson (talk) 04:38, 31 May 2022 (CDT)